Understanding The Blackjack Table Layout

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RoyalBJ
The Blackjack tables at WinnaVegas, Sloan, Iowa, have a TIP circle opposite to the SHORTIE side bet (at 2 o'clock position and the side bet SHORTIE - a red short pant - is at 10 o'clock). The picture shows a SHORTIE Blackjack table. I think all their tables have a TIP circle. Have you seen any other casinos having a TIP circle on the layouts? a good or bad idea? WinneVegas will duck boat players to the casino soon.
Nareed
It's not alone. Look upt he 'Scossa' thread in the baord. It has a bet for a dealer tip, too.
JuniorWiz
I noticed at Mystic Lake in Minnesota the players tip the dealers way less than at other casinos I have visited. Is there something I don't know, as in are the dealers paid way more than at other casinos so that tips are not necessary to make a decent wage? In fact, until a few years ago, they didn't even have toke boxes.
rdw4potus

I noticed at Mystic Lake in Minnesota the players tip the dealers way less than at other casinos I have visited. Is there something I don't know, as in are the dealers paid way more than at other casinos so that tips are not necessary to make a decent wage? In fact, until a few years ago, they didn't even have toke boxes.


I think us Minnesotans are a bit shy about our tipping. It seems like it's more common to tip at the end of a session here than it is to play tips throughout. Mystic is a tip shared house, and I'm told the average dealer makes about $20-$25/hour after tips. They have a pretty big shift differential, and there's a reasonable escalator for experience as well. Also, somewhat contrary to what I've seen elsewhere, people in the high-limit room at Mystic seem to tip a bigger percentage than people on the floor do. That'll help the payouts!
Layout*edit* about the toke boxes: They used to be under the table, with a drop slot (like for the rake on a poker table) next to the cash drop slot. After the remodel/refelting, they went to the standard acrylic boxes. I have no idea if tip-rates have increased, but I'm told that the hope was that the change might foster more tipping.
'So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened.' - Maurice Clarett
rdw4potus
As I was sitting between two unbelievably intoxicated guys at Harrah's North KC last night, it occured to me that Mystic Lake is a dry casino. I bet that has a strong negative correlation with the in-game tip rate.

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'So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened.' - Maurice Clarett
buzzpaff
Tipping can vary greatly from state to state or even city to city. My dad drove a cab in Baltimore for years and tips supported our family. When I moved to Denver in the 80's, I would always chat up the drivers. Most were from cities back East. All said it took a while to realize people here just don't tip as a general rule
NotThisTime
I recall tip circles at Jackpot Junction several years ago. Haven't been there in a long time though. I once witnessed a tip box on a self service slot kiosk. Not really sure why anyone would tip a machine for cashing out their slot ticket but there was change in the box.
AZDuffman

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Count me among the indifferent. I have met several people who were going to a casino for the first time or just got back form an initial trip and were suprised to know you even could tip the dealer let alone it was how they made most of their money. So to me the 'TIP circle' falls between informing and tip-hustling. It would not affect my tip pattern much except that it is a little nice to know where that house wants the tips place as I do feel self-concious if I have to ask where to place the tip-bet.
If they want to increase tips another way is to somehow, in a classy way, inform players a dealer-bet has a lower minimum. I doubt I am alone in I would prefer to make 5 $1 tip-bets than 1 $5 tip bet. I know mathematically it is meaningless but I like the 'we are a team' feeling of the tip bet and to make it last longer is nicer. If I do this I also like to string those 5 bets over 10-15 of my own. Good dealers know I'm going to play the whole total and don't seem to mind.
Tiltpoul
The biggest reason they have the tip circles at WinnaVegas is because, at least as of a year or two ago, the dealers 'go their own.' Anybody who knows that area knows that the farmers probably wouldn't tip if the betting circle wasn't there. Most of the tables are also $3 or $2 tables. $5 tables used to be considered higher limit, and on a rare occasion, you might see a $10 table.
It has been a long time since I've been to WinnaVegas, but that's where my grandma and I used to gamble before I was 21 (they were an 18 and over casino). She has long since passed on, and I remember that casino fondly. When I went back a couple years ago, many of the dealers remembered me.
'One out of every four people are [morons]'- Kyle, South Park
benbakdoff
A tip circle on the blackjack layout looks like tip hustling to me. The dealers didn't put it there so they can't be blamed unless they keep pointing it out.
I have a friend who is a decent tipper but will not make a bet for the dealer at the blackjack table. He just can't stand the fact that the house gets the losing bet. When he wants to include the dealer, he'll put a red chip to the side of his stack and tell the dealer,'That's yours if I win the hand.' Obviously the dealer never gets to drop double the bet as if it had been played and won. He does this a couple of times and hour, makes good on doubles and splits and tips after every blackjack.
He usually bets light green, doesn't count and doesn't sweat the money. What he loves is the social aspect of the game. He is a terrible blackjack player but a really good guy and coincidentally his first name is George. What dealer wouldn't love this guy?

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Introduction

TriLux is a blackjack side bet based on the first two player cards and the dealer up card. It is similar to the 21+3 side bet, except adds a fixed bonus for the dealer on any winning hand.

Rules


  1. The side bet is based on the use of ordinary 52-card decks.
  2. Winning hands are based on three cards — the initial two player cards and the dealer up card.
  3. There are three tables, as shown below. They show the pay table for the player, which is based on the bet amount, as usual. They also show the 'Lucky George,' which is a flat win paid to the dealer, regardless of the bet amount.

You may be wondering why the award to the dealer is called a 'Lucky George bonus.' All I know for sure is that a good tipper is called a 'George.' Meanwhile, a stingy tipper is called a 'stiff.' One theory is that a dollar bill features George Washington, and at the time that the saying caught on $1 was still a good tip.

Following are three known pay tables and Lucky George bonuses.

Pay Table 1

EventPlayer
Wins
Lucky
George
Straight flush 8 to 1 $1
Three of a kind 8 to 1 $1
Straight 8 to 1 $1
Flush 8 to 1 $1

Pay Table 2

EventPlayer
Wins
Lucky
George
Straight flush 25 to 1 $10
Three of a kind 15 to 1 $5
Straight 8 to 1 $2
Flush 5 to 1 $1

Pay Table 3

EventPlayer
Wins
Lucky
George
Straight flush 25 to 1 $10
Three of a kind 15 to 1 $5
Straight 10 to 1 $2
Flush 5 to 1 $1

Analysis — Pay Table 1


Following is my analysis of the player's expected return of pay table 1 and six decks. The lower right cell shows a house advantage of 12.91%.

Pay Table 1 — Player Analysis

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Straight flush 8 10,368 0.002068 0.016545
Three of a kind 8 26,312 0.005248 0.041987
Straight 8 155,520 0.031021 0.248171
Flush 8 292,896 0.058424 0.467388
Loser -1 4,528,224 0.903239 -0.903239
Total 5,013,320 1.000000 -0.129147

Following is my analysis of the Lucky George bonus of pay table 1 and six decks. The lower right cell shows the dealer can expect to get ¢9.68 for every hand played.

Pay Table 1 — Lucky George Analysis

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Straight flush $1 10,368 0.002068 $0.002068
Three of a kind $1 26,312 0.005248 $0.005248
Straight $1 155,520 0.031021 $0.031021
Flush $1 292,896 0.058424 $0.058424
Total 5,013,320 1.000000 $0.096761

The next table shows the expected return for both the player and dealer by number of decks under pay table 1.

Pay Table 1 — House Edge

DecksPlayer
Return
Dealer
Return
2 -0.165356 $0.092738
4 -0.138195 $0.095756
5 -0.132766 $0.096359
6 -0.129147 $0.096761
8 -0.124624 $0.097264

Analysis — Pay Table 2


Following is my analysis of the player's expected return of pay table 2 and six decks of cards. The lower right cell shows a house advantage of 23.25%.

Pay Table 2 — Player Analysis — Six Decks

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Straight flush 25 10,368 0.002068 0.051702
Three of a kind 15 26,312 0.005248 0.078726
Straight 8 155,520 0.031021 0.248171
Flush 5 292,896 0.058424 0.292118
Loser -1 4,528,224 0.903239 -0.903239
Total 5,013,320 1.000000 -0.232521

Following is my analysis of the Lucky George bonus of pay table 2 with six decks. The lower right cell shows the dealer can expect to get ¢16.74 for every hand played.

Pay Table 2 — Lucky George Analysis — Six Decks

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Straight flush $10 10,368 0.002068 $0.020681
Three of a kind $5 26,312 0.005248 $0.026242
Straight $2 155,520 0.031021 $0.062043
Flush $1 292,896 0.058424 $0.058424
Total 5,013,320 1.000000 $0.167389

The next table shows the expected return for both the player and dealer by number of decks under pay table 2.

Pay Table 2 — House Edge

DecksPlayer
Return
Dealer
Return
2 -0.266529 $0.159338
4 -0.241138 $0.165330
5 -0.235977 $0.166562
6 -0.232521 $0.167389
8 -0.228185 $0.168430

Analysis — Pay Table 3


Following is my analysis of the player's expected return of pay table 3. The lower right cell shows a house advantage of 17.05%.

Pay Table 3 — Player Analysis — Six Decks

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Straight flush 25 10,368 0.002068 0.051702
Three of a kind 15 26,312 0.005248 0.078726
Straight 10 155,520 0.031021 0.310214
Flush 5 292,896 0.058424 0.292118
Loser -1 4,528,224 0.903239 -0.903239
Total 5,013,320 1.000000 -0.170479

Following is my analysis of the Lucky George bonus of pay table 3 and six decks. The lower right cell shows the dealer can expect to get ¢16.74 for every hand played.

Pay Table 3 — Lucky George Analysis — Six Decks

EventPaysCombinationsProbabilityReturn
Straight flush $10 10,368 0.002068 $0.020681
Three of a kind $5 26,312 0.005248 $0.026242
Straight $2 155,520 0.031021 $0.062043
Flush $1 292,896 0.058424 $0.058424
Total 5,013,320 1.000000 $0.167389

The next table shows the expected return for both the player and dealer by number of decks under pay table 3.

Pay Table 3 — House Edge

DecksPlayer
Return
Dealer
Return
2 -0.203268 $0.159338
4 -0.178794 $0.165330
5 -0.173814 $0.166562
6 -0.170479 $0.167389
8 -0.166292 $0.168430

Combined Casino Cost


Although this site usually looks at games from the player's perspective, I will break from that with the following tables. They show the expected profit according to the amount of the player's bet and the pay table for six and two decks. These figures are lower than the house edge figures in the tables above because the casino must pay the player winnings and the Lucky George bonus.

House Edge from Casino Perspective — Six Decks

BetPay
Table
1
Pay
Table
2
Pay
Table
3
$100 12.82% 23.08% 16.88%
$50 12.72% 22.92% 16.71%
$25 12.53% 22.58% 16.38%
$20 12.43% 22.42% 16.21%
$15 12.27% 22.14% 15.93%
$10 11.95% 21.58% 15.37%
$5 10.98% 19.90% 13.70%
$3 9.69% 17.67% 11.47%
$2 8.08% 14.88% 8.68%
$1 3.24% 6.51% 0.31%

House Edge from Casino Perspective — Two Decks

BetPay
Table
1
Pay
Table
2
Pay
Table
3
$100 16.44% 26.49% 20.17%
$50 16.35% 26.33% 20.01%
$25 16.16% 26.02% 19.69%
$20 16.07% 25.86% 19.53%
$15 15.92% 25.59% 19.26%
$10 15.61% 25.06% 18.73%
$5 14.68% 23.47% 17.14%
$3 13.44% 21.34% 15.02%
$2 11.90% 18.69% 12.36%
$1 7.26% 10.72% 4.39%

External Links


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Written by: Michael Shackleford